Saturday, January 28, 2006

St. Thomas Aquinas

For all your St. Thomas Aquinas needs, including the worlds skinniest Saint Thos., I heartily recommend the Shrine of the Holy Whapping.


Blogger matthew christopher davidson said...


I'm not quite sure why you're Gabriel. Are you worried about being crucified for your positionings?

To answer your question, I think what bothers me about the EO is their ecumenical stance (or lack thereof), not their self-identification as Church.


January 29, 2006 7:03 PM  
Blogger DilexitPrior said...

Pardon my ignorance, but what's EO?

January 30, 2006 9:09 AM  
Blogger gabriel said...

EO is Eastern Orthodoxy.

Hey, Matthew. Yeah, I'm a little worried that I'll say something I'd rather not have on the record in five or ten years.

My concern with Orthodoxy (and I should emphasize perhaps that I have never peered very closely into their own estimation of their ecclesiology) was, like yours a concern that there really wasn't an ecumenical effort (or even a recognition that it's an issue). Since I really was pulled towards apostolic Christianity in obediance to Christ's prayer for unity, it meant EO never really got on my radar screen.

On a broader level, I'm concerned that EO's source of unity is insufficient. Ecumenical Councils are wonderful, but EO hasn't had one in more than a millenium, and I'm a trifle worried that the Church still has things to deal with that might require what I'd call (with all my Romish ways) a living magisterium.

January 30, 2006 3:51 PM  
Blogger matthew christopher davidson said...

You can always delete your blog.

I should quickly qualify my statements.

I believe that God has called us to be one holy, catholic and apostolic church. I believe this means visible unity, catholicity and apostolicity.

What bothers me about the East is not that they claim apostolic primacy for the see of Constantinople, that they reject the primacy of Peter or that they see the only possible outcome of all ecumenical dialogue as that of leading the prodigals home.

In short, it is not the teaching that bothers me. It is attitude and action, specifically a bunker mentality and Orthocentrism - which I must say is peculiar to "natively" Orthodox polities like those of Moscow and Antioch.

What bothers me is that ecumenical critique must run both ways, and the Orthodox seldom allow that the West has much to teach the East.

Ultimately, I don't think this fact alone is going to keep me out of the catechumenate.

January 30, 2006 8:15 PM  

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